Week 22 Daily C: Watkins Glen International GR.3

You missed the point. 

What IS the point then? That we should stick to one car throughout the game? One thing I always loved about the GT series, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, is the fact that you get to drive lots of different cars on lots of different tracks. If someone enjoys focusing on one particular car or track, that's fine by me but personally I like the variety.

That said I'm usually driving the Porche in GR3 sports mode because it's the car I'm most comfortable with and since I'm not a very good driver I usually can't profit from whatever advantage the meta car offers. Straight line speed or corner exit acceleration advantage are useless to me since I suck at trottle controll on exit anyway. lol.

In Gr4 I can usually use more of a variety of cars, except the Attenza that is often meta but simply doesn't work for me.

Anyway, that's just my modest, D rank opinion/observation.

Try the Alfa 4C

Hey man, i'm not a legend of a fast driver but i've been around for a while on GTSPORT and GT7.

Talking about your question on feeling a lot of pressure at the end of the races, that's something you'll get used with time, the kinda stuff you need to do again and again until it feels natural to be in that place. It's quite hard to tell one big tip that gonna help you with that since everyone's gonna have a different solutions that suits then better. But for me when i'm really tense it's really helpful to release air that i inhaled through my mouth, the feeling in my chest helps me calm down even if it's a tinny bit.

Also i like to keep recalling stuff i'm my mind like: "oh this corner i brake where" or "when i get in point "x" on track i need to do this"

Hey man good question actually, on what i learned thus far it takes way more than the 7 days time of a daily race to master a single car and that kind of mastery is something open to discuss on it's own. A few weeks back i did a nice lap using the GTR in Kyoto Yamagiya and i spent a lot of time with that single car there, but i don't think i'm nowhere near of understanding absolutely every single concept of the car so i don't think i'm a master of it i would say i simply learned how to get a good amount of it's capacities on that one specific track, but if i had to drive on let's say: Lago Maggiore i would need to spend a lot of time until i get to a really good pace as a did in kyoto

These threads are always so entertaining to read...

"What IS the point then? That we should stick to one car throughout the game? One thing I always loved about the GT series, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, is the fact that you get to drive lots of different cars on lots of different tracks. If someone enjoys focusing on one particular car or track, that's fine by me but personally I like the variety." 

please see the very first post in this chat. And possibly read all other related post to understand what contex my position is derived from. I do apologise but having to reply to people that have misinterpreted the topic or selected a specific aspect without holding continuity with the subject is tiresome. This is a subject in high school called reading between the lines. 

I may suck at reading between the lines but you suck at apologizing dude 😜 

For what? Other's stupidity? 

Curious if you've ever found that being a condescending asshole has ever helped you convince people of your opinions? Willing to bet not. You must be aware of your tone, and if I recall correctly, you come on here regularly with conduct like this. What’s the point of coming on here just to stand over everyone and act like this?  Just about everyone here except for you is trying to put forward their argument in a measured and polite manner, yet you keep coming back acting like a prick. I can't imagine staying so frustrated for so many days about something that has so very little baring over my own personal wellbeing. So weird. Go and get some fresh air and some perspective. 

Your off topic still. And missing the point. 

This is perfect you have just swapped to the M6 after using the Audi and crushed your Original time and have placed yourself 0.023 behind myself in the Porsche. Also placing you in one of your highest leaderboard placings in the GR3 category ever. If this doesn't perfectly point out what I have been saying in this entire chat the whole time. BROKEN BOP!!! False positives of reflections of skill. Low ranked poor drivers placing unrealistic times and being paired with better drivers that lead to  incidents in races is the direct byproduct of this broken meta car system. There is no argument based on any facts that can prove otherwise. Your result is the perfect example of what I mean. 

Bro, why are you so obssessed with me?? 🤠

Please go and see a psychologist. If you’re any older than 17-18, ie a friggin adult man, you definitely have a problem. (I thought) this conversation ended days ago, but you’ve been stalking my progress since then in the hopes that you could 'prove your point', at something like 3am Perth time on a Sunday, to a bunch of people you don’t know, who you’ll likely never meet, and who don’t give a sh*t about what you’re saying. As a literally 40 something year old man, I almost feel weird devoting the energy to arguing with you about this, but the fact is, nobody here cares about your very particular point about what defines the difference between mid tier and high tear performance. I can advise from my experience as high B / low A driver, that over the last few weeks I have been regularly placing mid to top of the field amongst other B and A (ie similarly skilled) drivers and that driving hygiene in these races has been generally very good. No deliberately dirty driving whatsoever, and very few mistakes from myself or other drivers that causes incidents with other drivers.  

How 'bout you get off the rig and the keyboard for the rest of the weekend? Will probably do wonders for your self esteem and mental health. 

No ones obsessed with you mate. I just noticed your boosted time because it's two down from my mine. Create whatever weird situation you want but that's the first time iv said anything more the 5 words to you. The conversations your referring to must in your head. Enjoy being fast for a week following all the other good little sheep. 

Look, I’ll say this calmly because I think the point has been lost in the noise.

A properly balanced BoP would mean a 1:43.500 in the M6 and a 1:43.500 in the Porsche represent the same level of driving. Right now they don’t, and if we’re being honest everyone knows they don’t. But the leaderboard presents them as equivalent. That’s the problem. Not the cars, not the drivers, the system.

The current BoP feeds egos it shouldn’t. Drivers see their name high on a list and internalise it as proof of their ability without ever questioning how much of that position belongs to them and how much belongs to the car they selected. The system tells them they’re fast so they believe they’re fast, and when someone challenges that belief with data they react defensively because their self image is built on a number the system inflated. I’m not immune to ego either but at least in the Porsche I know my position is a floor not a ceiling. If BoP were fixed tomorrow and every car was genuinely competitive, I’d go up not down.

 That’s not true for everyone and I think on some level people feel that even if they won’t say it.
A fair BoP would actually make the game better for everyone including the meta users. Right now they don’t know if they’re genuinely fast or just well equipped. A balanced system would give them honest feedback for the first time and honest feedback even when it’s humbling is what actually makes drivers improve. The current system robs them of that by telling them they’re something they might not be.

I know what’s coming next. Someone will say balance is impossible because every car has different characteristics, different gearing, different handling and certain tracks will always favour certain layouts.

I agree. Nobody is asking for every car to lap within 0.000s of each other at every track. That would be homologation not balance of performance.
But here’s the thing.

Real world GT3 racing under SRO BoP regulations keeps the entire field within a 0.3 to 0.5 second window at any given circuit. The Porsche is still rear engined, the Viper still has massive torque, the BMW still has a long wheelbase. The characteristics are all different but the power, weight and restrictor adjustments bring the lap time outcomes close enough that driver skill is the primary differentiator not car selection.

GT7’s BoP window at some tracks is 1.5 to 2.0 seconds between the fastest and slowest car. The current acceleration spread alone tells the story. The Viper runs 11.06 seconds to 400 metres. The Porsche 992 runs 12.50. The 991 runs 12.62. Both Porsches are dead last out of 52 cars. That’s not different characteristics creating slight advantages at certain tracks. That’s a 1.5 second structural gap that makes entire cars competitively irrelevant regardless of driver skill. No amount of technique overcomes that deficit on a track with a long straight.

Real world GT3 manages a 0.3 to 0.5 second spread across the entire field. GT7 is running three to five times wider than the real series it’s supposedly modelling. That’s not physics making balance impossible. That’s the balancing not being done properly.

And if someone wants to argue that GT7 isn’t a real simulator and doesn’t need to match real world BoP then fine. But you can’t have it both ways.

GT7 markets itself as The Real Driving Simulator. It uses real GT3 cars with real liveries under official FIA licensing. It runs a World Series with real prizes and real qualification pathways. You cannot claim to simulate real racing and then apply BoP that is three to five times less balanced than the actual real world equivalent. Either you’re a simulator and the balance should reflect the standard the real world figured out decades ago, or you’re an arcade game and the World Series is a joke. PD can’t have both.

All I want is to know where I truly stand. I want every driver on that leaderboard to know where they truly stand. Right now the system doesn’t allow that and until it does every time set in a meta car comes with an asterisk whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

This is a great track! Learning how to navigate the bus stop has been one of the most difficult things I've come across in these races.