Week 31 Daily B: Trial Mountain Circuit GR.3

I'm using the Jag too. It's fun occasionally passing the Porsches at the start because the initial acceleration is so much better. But I too have been caught out by oversteer when I get careless. I just refuse to conform and drive the 911. 

It'd be so much better as Gr1. Or grab a book, you're gonna need something to read while gr4 moseys down the straights 

Sorry to hear thar. Try to see the positive side of it: a fresh start, and now you will succeed!

I have hopes that next week's daily C at Tokyo will be in Gr.4, and I'm pretty good at it. Again, no strat plus RH, there might be rain incoming...

i dont like the odds of driving standards getting any better. i raced most of the day today. all my lobbies were mid A DR and B DR in the moring the lobbys even had C dr drivers in them. i did 13-15 races and gained 1046 dr points for winning every single one of those races. i just did my last race then and was taken out because i relaxed and let 2nd and 3rd catch up. not really enough to make a move? well how wrong i was the absolute desperation shown by drivers in this game cost me all 14 positions subsequently finnishing last and loosing every single bit of DR i gained for the day, plus an extra 57. so iv ended up -57 points for my full day of racing. good luck.

About realism; I can take it or leave it. I mean, I still want it to feel like I'm driving a car, don't get me wrong. But for instance, if cars never flip and roll over in GT7, thats fine by me. If I was into sims to crash cars I'd play BeamNG. When it comes to racing, if the physics feel right when I drive the car "correctly" I'm good. Anyway I'm more into the driver interactions online than nerding out over the physics, graphics or overall car culture.

Strong gives you both a speed boost on the straight and additional grip while sitting behind the car ahead. It's essentially a tow rope. There's no penalty for being in disturbed air. You go faster AND corner better behind another car. Completely unrealistic but it makes for close racing if you don't care about the physics being accurate.

Real gives you the straight line speed boost but it's dependent on your following distance and also reduces your grip because you're in dirty air. This is why real GT3 drivers step out of the tow before a braking zone. You gain on the straight but you'd lose in the corners if you stayed in the wake.

Weak just reduces the overall slipstream effect. Less tow on the straight, less of everything. It doesn't simulate dirty air the way Real does, it just turns the whole system down.

So Real doesn't sit between Strong and Weak on a sliding scale. It's a fundamentally different model. Strong is all benefit no penalty. Real is benefit on the straight, penalty in the corners. Weak is just less of everything.

"Custom" slipstream setting in daily races has some serious concerns about it. PD has actually acknowledged in their known issues list that daily races display slipstream strength as "Disabled" when a strength IS set in the event regulations. So the game is telling you there's no slipstream active when there is. What exactly the custom setting does, how strong it is, and whether it changes week to week is not disclosed. What some people have said from testing is that it feels stronger than Real and possibly stronger than what most people would consider balanced.

There's a reason you see cars getting slingshot passes on straights that shouldn't be physically possible given the speed differential, and it's because the slipstream effect in daily races is doing more work than the settings screen admits to.

Is all a little wishy washy, we like to think this is "the real driving simulator" but truth be told there's a lot of unbalanced aspects in this game that is about creating "balance" I.e player retention algorithms. They don't advertise these things I believe they should but the whole gaming industry is one of the least regulated industries. And it's bigger than the movie industry Worrying when it's core demographic is 7-19yr olds. 

I believe "real" takes a non-linear approach, so the closer you are to the car ahead, the stronger the tow, and as the gap grows larger - the effect diminishes. 

Its obvious that strong is stronger than weak but do we know where real falls in relation?

As for the custom slipstream could it be tweaked on a per-car basis to balance the field as with BoP? In the real world there's a relationship between a car's coefficient of drag and the size and shape of its aerodynamic wake. In effect, the higher a car's CoD the harder it is for it to reach high speeds and the bigger the hole it punches through the air. Thats a significant disadvantage that should receive a correction to allow more cars to be competitive.

Correct 

How did you find out?
The lobbies I'm in are full of new 911s. An Audi, a Viper, a Beetle, or an old 911 here and there, but mainly the new 911.

I rarely defend, I try to let them pass, and if they overshoot, I switch-a-roo them. That's the theory. Very often I'm punted from behind on the racing line, not the defending line. Since I believe in the good in everyone, I guess these things are not intended, they just brake at the qualy braking point, and that's it. Not giving back the position is the real crime here, IMHO.

I'm quite good with catching back up to people after I got punted (or made an own mistake). It happened a few times that I ended up on P14 or P16, and finished on P8 or P10, but normally in the B sprint races, there's not enough race time left to gain further positions.

Now my DR got so low, that my qualy time (1:52.990 with the Audi) is good for starting from within the top 5. Let's see how this one goes... 🤔

Woah! Chris with the wisdom dump FTW.

Let me go full on Buddha for a minute and see how it goes over; it is pointless to dwell on the past or to fret about the future because nothing exsixts apart from the present. In performance driving terms that would translate to forgetting about the mistakes we commit as soon as they happen. Literaly leaving them behind us as we speed down the track. Also not wasting our attention thinking about entire laps or even whole sector times. All we need to focus on is the immidiate issue of, say, the upcoming corner. 

When I time trial I try to ignore the updates the game gives me about my lap times while I'm driving. My priority is to follow the racing line as precisely as possible and consistently hit my markers until my tires are trash. Counterintuitively, its always the laps that feel slow that end up being the fastest.